{"id":637,"date":"2016-05-31T15:42:28","date_gmt":"2016-05-31T13:42:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/?p=637"},"modified":"2016-06-06T15:44:33","modified_gmt":"2016-06-06T13:44:33","slug":"la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/","title":{"rendered":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s"},"content":{"rendered":"
\n

Un article de J.-M.D. publi\u00e9 le 30\/05\/2016<\/p>\n

Financement public avec allongement de la dette et fonds souverains.<\/strong><\/p>\n

C’est la solution pr\u00e9conis\u00e9e par une large partie des \u00e9lus du Grand Sud, tant du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Midi-Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es que d’Aquitaine. \u00abTenons compte du principe de r\u00e9alit\u00e9, mart\u00e8le Jean-Louis Chauzy, le pr\u00e9sident de l’association EuroSud Transport qui organisait r\u00e9cemment un colloque sur la probl\u00e9matique des transports et leur financement. Dans un contexte marqu\u00e9 par une baisse des ressources financi\u00e8res, tant du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des collectivit\u00e9s que de l’\u00c9tat, la solution passe pour Carole Delga, pr\u00e9sidente de R\u00e9gion, par un \u00abmode de fonctionnement innovant\u00bb, en s’inspirant des montages financiers exp\u00e9riment\u00e9s ailleurs, en faisant aussi appel au priv\u00e9, et en recherchant d’autres ressources fiscales \u00e0 partir de taxes locales sp\u00e9cifiques. \u00abLa taxe sur les bureaux, ce n’est pas que pour le Grand Paris !\u00bb, souligne Jean-Louis Chauzy, qui est aussi le pr\u00e9sident du Ceser. Plusieurs pistes nouvelles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9voqu\u00e9es. D’abord allonger la dur\u00e9e de la dette pour rendre la charge plus supportable pour les collectivit\u00e9s locales. C’est possible, la Caisse des d\u00e9p\u00f4ts ayant elle-m\u00eame port\u00e9 \u00e0 45 ans son financement pour le Grand Paris. Une d\u00e9marche a \u00e9t\u00e9 conduite dans ce sens par Carole Delga aupr\u00e8s de la Banque europ\u00e9enne d’investissement. S’ouvre \u00e9galement la possibilit\u00e9 de faire appel \u00e0 des fonds souverains \u00e9trangers pour boucler les financements. C’est d’ailleurs ce qui est pr\u00e9vu pour l’itin\u00e9raire europ\u00e9en E9 entre Ax-les-Thermes et Puycerda. On peut esp\u00e9rer aussi plus de financements de l’Europe au nom de l’interconnexion ferroviaire. C\u00f4t\u00e9 aquitain, Alain Rousset et Alain Jupp\u00e9 poussent dans ce sens, jugeant ces aides insuffisantes.<\/p>\n

Un partenariat public priv\u00e9 comme pour Tours-Bordeaux<\/strong><\/p>\n

Le projet de Ligne \u00e0 Grande Vitesse Sud Europe Atlantique (LGV SEA) Tours-Bordeaux (8 Mds d’euros) a \u00e9t\u00e9 rendu possible en juin 2011 par la signature du plus important partenariat public-priv\u00e9 ferroviaire en Europe. En parall\u00e8le des fonds propres apport\u00e9s par Lisea, (filiale de Vinci), le plan de financement est compos\u00e9 d’une subvention publique de 3 milliards d’euros vers\u00e9e par l’\u00c9tat, les collectivit\u00e9s et l’Europe, d’une contribution de SNCF R\u00e9seau d’ 1 milliard d’euros. \u00abLe PPP, c’est compliqu\u00e9 \u00e0 mettre en \u0153uvre, compliqu\u00e9 \u00e0 r\u00e9ussir. Ce type de partenariat n’est pas la panac\u00e9e. La preuve, c’est qu’il y a tr\u00e8s souvent des ren\u00e9gociations, comme on le voit pour Tours-Bordeaux. On a augment\u00e9 le nombre de dessertes sous la pression du concessionnaire, mais qui va les payer, l’\u00c9tat, les collectivit\u00e9s\u00bb, explique Marc Ivaldi. L’\u00e9conomiste serait favorable \u00e0 un PPP pour Bordeaux-Toulouse. \u00abMais comment ne pas reproduire les m\u00eames erreurs, comment b\u00e2tir un \u00abPPP\u00bb sain, transparent, incitatif, capable in fine de mieux cerner les co\u00fbts, ajoute le chercheur (lire ci-dessous)<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Une ouverture \u00e0 la concurrence ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

C’est l’autre piste \u00e9voqu\u00e9e notamment par la Toulouse<\/a> School of economics : ouvrir \u00e0 la concurrence un service TGV entre Paris-Bordeaux et Toulouse : \u00abIl faut construire la ligne, trouver les financements pour la r\u00e9aliser, et, ensuite, mettre en concession l’exploitation. Autrement dit, mettre la SNCF en concurrence avec la Deutsche Bahn, avec les Italiens, les Espagnols, les Anglais pour le service aux usagers. On aura ainsi de vraies explications sur les co\u00fbts. il s’agit l\u00e0, non pas de d\u00e9cisions politiques, mais \u00e9conomiques\u00bb, conclut TSE.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

lire sur le site<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Un article de J.-M.D. publi\u00e9 le 30\/05\/2016 Financement public avec allongement de la dette et fonds souverains. C’est la solution pr\u00e9conis\u00e9e par une large partie des \u00e9lus du Grand Sud, tant du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Midi-Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es que d’Aquitaine. \u00abTenons compte du principe de r\u00e9alit\u00e9, mart\u00e8le Jean-Louis Chauzy, le pr\u00e9sident de l’association EuroSud Transport qui organisait r\u00e9cemment<\/p>\n

VOIR PLUS<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[179,195,137,199],"class_list":["post-637","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-revue-de-presse","tag-dette","tag-financement","tag-lgv","tag-ppp"],"yoast_head":"\n[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Un article de J.-M.D. publi\u00e9 le 30\/05\/2016 Financement public avec allongement de la dette et fonds souverains. C’est la solution pr\u00e9conis\u00e9e par une large partie des \u00e9lus du Grand Sud, tant du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Midi-Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es que d’Aquitaine. \u00abTenons compte du principe de r\u00e9alit\u00e9, mart\u00e8le Jean-Louis Chauzy, le pr\u00e9sident de l’association EuroSud Transport qui organisait r\u00e9cemmentVOIR PLUS\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"AUTATE\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:publisher\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AutateToulouse\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"pascalbarbier\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@AutateToulouse\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@AutateToulouse\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"\u00c9crit par\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"pascalbarbier\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Dur\u00e9e de lecture estim\u00e9e\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"3 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\\\/\\\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"pascalbarbier\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#\\\/schema\\\/person\\\/ae1ab8bdaa7b41d2a9b52d2557ce8254\"},\"headline\":\"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s\",\"datePublished\":\"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00\",\"mainEntityOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/\"},\"wordCount\":582,\"commentCount\":0,\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#organization\"},\"keywords\":[\"dette\",\"Financement\",\"LGV\",\"PPP\"],\"articleSection\":[\"Revue de presse\"],\"inLanguage\":\"fr-FR\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"CommentAction\",\"name\":\"Comment\",\"target\":[\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/#respond\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/\",\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/\",\"name\":\"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"fr-FR\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\\\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Accueil\",\"item\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/\",\"name\":\"AUTATE\",\"description\":\"Association des usagers des transports de l'agglom\u00e9ration Toulousaine et de ses environs\",\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#organization\"},\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":{\"@type\":\"PropertyValueSpecification\",\"valueRequired\":true,\"valueName\":\"search_term_string\"}}],\"inLanguage\":\"fr-FR\"},{\"@type\":\"Organization\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#organization\",\"name\":\"AUTATE\",\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/\",\"logo\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"fr-FR\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#\\\/schema\\\/logo\\\/image\\\/\",\"url\":\"http:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2019\\\/01\\\/logo.png\",\"contentUrl\":\"http:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2019\\\/01\\\/logo.png\",\"width\":506,\"height\":280,\"caption\":\"AUTATE\"},\"image\":{\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#\\\/schema\\\/logo\\\/image\\\/\"},\"sameAs\":[\"https:\\\/\\\/www.facebook.com\\\/AutateToulouse\",\"https:\\\/\\\/x.com\\\/AutateToulouse\"]},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/#\\\/schema\\\/person\\\/ae1ab8bdaa7b41d2a9b52d2557ce8254\",\"name\":\"pascalbarbier\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"fr-FR\",\"@id\":\"https:\\\/\\\/secure.gravatar.com\\\/avatar\\\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/secure.gravatar.com\\\/avatar\\\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\\\/\\\/secure.gravatar.com\\\/avatar\\\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"pascalbarbier\"},\"url\":\"https:\\\/\\\/autate.fr\\\/site\\\/author\\\/pascalbarbier\\\/\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/","og_locale":"fr_FR","og_type":"article","og_title":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE","og_description":"Un article de J.-M.D. publi\u00e9 le 30\/05\/2016 Financement public avec allongement de la dette et fonds souverains. C’est la solution pr\u00e9conis\u00e9e par une large partie des \u00e9lus du Grand Sud, tant du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de Midi-Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es que d’Aquitaine. \u00abTenons compte du principe de r\u00e9alit\u00e9, mart\u00e8le Jean-Louis Chauzy, le pr\u00e9sident de l’association EuroSud Transport qui organisait r\u00e9cemmentVOIR PLUS","og_url":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/","og_site_name":"AUTATE","article_publisher":"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AutateToulouse","article_published_time":"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00","article_modified_time":"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00","author":"pascalbarbier","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_creator":"@AutateToulouse","twitter_site":"@AutateToulouse","twitter_misc":{"\u00c9crit par":"pascalbarbier","Dur\u00e9e de lecture estim\u00e9e":"3 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"Article","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/#article","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/"},"author":{"name":"pascalbarbier","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#\/schema\/person\/ae1ab8bdaa7b41d2a9b52d2557ce8254"},"headline":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s","datePublished":"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00","dateModified":"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00","mainEntityOfPage":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/"},"wordCount":582,"commentCount":0,"publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#organization"},"keywords":["dette","Financement","LGV","PPP"],"articleSection":["Revue de presse"],"inLanguage":"fr-FR","potentialAction":[{"@type":"CommentAction","name":"Comment","target":["https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/#respond"]}]},{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/","url":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/","name":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s - AUTATE","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#website"},"datePublished":"2016-05-31T13:42:28+00:00","dateModified":"2016-06-06T13:44:33+00:00","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"fr-FR","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/la-depeche-les-scenarios-qui-sont-explores\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Accueil","item":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"[La D\u00e9p\u00eache] Les sc\u00e9narios qui sont explor\u00e9s"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#website","url":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/","name":"AUTATE","description":"Association des usagers des transports de l'agglom\u00e9ration Toulousaine et de ses environs","publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#organization"},"potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":{"@type":"PropertyValueSpecification","valueRequired":true,"valueName":"search_term_string"}}],"inLanguage":"fr-FR"},{"@type":"Organization","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#organization","name":"AUTATE","url":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"fr-FR","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/","url":"http:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/logo.png","contentUrl":"http:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/logo.png","width":506,"height":280,"caption":"AUTATE"},"image":{"@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/"},"sameAs":["https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AutateToulouse","https:\/\/x.com\/AutateToulouse"]},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/#\/schema\/person\/ae1ab8bdaa7b41d2a9b52d2557ce8254","name":"pascalbarbier","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"fr-FR","@id":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/03f4e8ced09894b72c67e83142540730d4b3bbf619bf46341b0074e3bf5f08a0?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"pascalbarbier"},"url":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/author\/pascalbarbier\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/637","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=637"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/637\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":638,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/637\/revisions\/638"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=637"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=637"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=637"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}