{"id":2152,"date":"2017-11-29T21:08:43","date_gmt":"2017-11-29T20:08:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/?p=2152"},"modified":"2017-12-14T09:11:12","modified_gmt":"2017-12-14T08:11:12","slug":"2152-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/2152-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Suite \u00e0 l’\u00e9tude du Conseil scientifique sur le RER…"},"content":{"rendered":"

\u00c9L\u00c9MENTS DE R\u00c9PONSE au Conseil scientifique ET GROUPE MIROIR post-d\u00e9bat 3\u00e8me<\/sup> ligne de m\u00e9tro<\/p>\n

mercredi 29 novembre 2017<\/p>\n

Suite \u00e0 l’Avis du Conseil Scientifique sur l’\u00e9toile ferroviaire<\/strong><\/a>, nous nous interrogeons sur certains \u00e9l\u00e9ments \u00e9nonc\u00e9s et avons regroup\u00e9 nos interrogations en 4 volets :<\/p>\n

Question 1 : l’AUTATE interroge le Conseil Scientifique sur le volet financier de cette \u00e9tude et pose la question du v\u00e9ritable co\u00fbt :<\/u><\/p>\n

– Le co\u00fbt total de 3.5 milliards d’Euros int\u00e8gre des investissements d\u00e9j\u00e0 programm\u00e9s ou en phase d’\u00e9tude<\/strong> (AFNT, finalisation du doublement Ar\u00e8nes-Colomiers). De plus ces co\u00fbts int\u00e8grent un financement partag\u00e9 entre un nombre sup\u00e9rieur d’acteurs<\/strong> que le Projet Mobilit\u00e9s actuel, et b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient \u00e0 d’autres syst\u00e8mes de d\u00e9placements tels que le TGV, les TER, les Intercit\u00e9s. Le co\u00fbt du RER couvre des besoins de d\u00e9placements \u00e0 diff\u00e9rentes \u00e9chelles<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

– Le doublement envisag\u00e9 de la voie sur 150 km entre Rouffiac et Tanus est relatif \u00e0 une \u00e9tude de desserte au 1\/4 d’heure entre Toulouse et St Sulpice faite il y a quelques ann\u00e9es. (Ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 dit lors de la premi\u00e8re r\u00e9union). Or, le projet de l’AUTATE mentionne un cadencement au 1\/4 d’heure uniquement sur la partie d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e0 double voie entre Rouffiac et Matabiau<\/strong>. Le doublement jusqu’\u00e0 Tanus semble donc hors de propos.<\/p>\n

Question 2 : l’AUTATE interroge le Conseil Scientifique sur l’analyse urbaine r\u00e9alis\u00e9e par le Conseil Scientifique :<\/u><\/p>\n

– L’aire d’influence d’une gare est fix\u00e9e \u00e0 10 minutes<\/strong>. Il n’est pas mentionn\u00e9 s’il s’agit de 10 min en voiture ou \u00e0 pied. Selon les chiffres de population, il semble que ce soit \u00e0 pied, or l’on sait que la zone<\/strong> d’influence d’une gare va bien au del\u00e0 de 10 minutes \u00e0 pied<\/strong> en particulier si le p\u00f4le d’intermodalit\u00e9<\/strong> qu’est la gare b\u00e9n\u00e9ficie d’un bon syst\u00e8me de rabattements en transports en commun et de parkings relais (v\u00e9lo et voiture). Pour prendre l’exemple de la gare de Portet-St-Simon, la zone d’influence peut inclure les villes de Cugnaux et Villeneuve-Tolosane.<\/p>\n

Question 3 : l’AUTATE interroge le Conseil Scientifique sur la participation de la R\u00e9gion Occitanie dans cette \u00e9tude :<\/u><\/p>\n

Malgr\u00e9 de nombreux arguments \u00e0 charge dans cette \u00e9tude qui semble accr\u00e9diter l’id\u00e9e que le RER est inadapt\u00e9 et trop cher pour la m\u00e9tropole toulousaine, nous notons cependant que les conclusions proposent d’anticiper la mise en place d’un RER \u00e0 plus long terme<\/strong>. Bien que cette notion de long terme nous paraisse peu adapt\u00e9e aux besoins actuels des usagers, nous consid\u00e9rons que c’est un pas en avant salutaire qui avec les d\u00e9clarations de l\u2019\u00c9tat, par la voix d’Elisabeth Borne, qui priorise les trains quotidiens et ouvre la voie \u00e0 des RER en r\u00e9gion<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Question 4 : l’AUTATE interroge le Conseil Scientifique sur la possibilit\u00e9 de r\u00e9aliser cette alternative, \u00e9tape par \u00e9tape :<\/u><\/p>\n

Il est donc urgent<\/strong> que les acteurs de la mobilit\u00e9 sur la grande r\u00e9gion<\/strong> toulousaine rentrent enfin en phase de dialogue constructif<\/strong> et prennent la m\u00eame direction que les autres m\u00e9tropoles europ\u00e9ennes de taille \u00e9quivalente (Turin, Bruxelles, Bilbao, Prague, …) qui mettent en place progressivement des r\u00e9seaux r\u00e9gionaux de trains permettant d’am\u00e9liorer la circulation des usagers sur leur bassin de vie.<\/p>\n

Nous demandons que ces acteurs se rencontrent rapidement : Etat, r\u00e9gion, SMTC mais aussi associations et entreprises<\/strong> (car il faut rappeler que de nombreuses zones d’activit\u00e9s sont \u00e0 proximit\u00e9 de lignes ferroviaires) afin de mettre en place une strat\u00e9gie et un \u00e9ch\u00e9ancier<\/strong> pour le d\u00e9veloppement d’un r\u00e9seau de transport en commun \u00e0 l’\u00e9chelle de la m\u00e9tropole.<\/p>\n

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