{"id":1103,"date":"2016-12-06T18:12:06","date_gmt":"2016-12-06T17:12:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/?p=1103"},"modified":"2016-12-06T23:51:03","modified_gmt":"2016-12-06T22:51:03","slug":"focus-groupe-usagers-compte-rendu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/autate.fr\/site\/focus-groupe-usagers-compte-rendu\/","title":{"rendered":"Focus groupe usagers : compte-rendu"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"CENTER\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><b>Compte-rendu Focus Group des usagers du train 5\/12\/2016 organis\u00e9 conjointement par l\u2019AUTATE et la CNDP<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Dans cette r\u00e9union des usagers du train, sont r\u00e9unis des usagers des lignes Tlse-Colomiers, St Martin du Touch, Castelnau d&rsquo;Estretefonds et des associations de quartiers. Dont :<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Denis Brun (association des usagers train Lacourtensourt; maire adjoint Castelnau d&rsquo;Estretefonds \u00ab\u00a0urbanisme, d\u00e9veloppement durable, transports\u00a0\u00bb)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Pierre Bailles (comit\u00e9 quartier Ar\u00e8nes-St Cyprien, urbaniste) <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Bernard Sellier (2P2R)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; J.Bernard X (Ar\u00e8nes-Colomiers)<br \/>\n&#8211; Michel Gauthier (usager Matabiau-Colomiers)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Jonathan Goetz, Etudiant en g\u00e9ographie<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Mr Brosse (usager St Martin du Touch)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Pascale Dufour (usag\u00e8re du POLT\u00a0; collectif pour la r\u00e9ouverture guichet SNCF aux Ar\u00e8nes)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Guillaume Drijard (UCQ)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Beno\u00eet, Jean-Charles, Elisabeth pour l&rsquo;AUTATE<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Nathalie Durand, Christian Leikine pour la CNDP<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Deux directions \u00e9mergent\u00a0dans la r\u00e9flexion :<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">1\/ne pas r\u00e9aliser la TAE mais un projet alternatif <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">2\/si la TAE se r\u00e9alise, comment la connecter, quels choix faire en priorit\u00e9 ? <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><b>D\u00e9bat<\/b>\u00a0: les notes prises refl\u00e8tent des moments de discussion qui peuvent \u00eatre parfois contradictoires. Un Live Tweet a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait durant l&rsquo;\u00e9change et des personnes ont r\u00e9agi \u00e0 ces \u00e9changes via Twitter.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">La TAE (\u00ab\u00a0Toulouse A\u00e9rospace Express\u00a0\u00bb= 3\u00e8me ligne de m\u00e9tro)<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Pas de projet TAE possible sans mise \u00e0 niveau de l\u2019\u00e9toile ferroviaire. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Dans la ligne TAE, la partie Sud pose probl\u00e8me car elle double la ligne B et le train.<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Le Nord se justifie + : le nord de l&rsquo;agglom\u00e9ration toulousaine est asphyxi\u00e9, c\u2019est le parent pauvre de l&rsquo;\u00e9toile ferroviaire. Les AFNT doivent se faire (Am\u00e9nagements Ferroviaires du Nord de Toulouse).<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">\u00c9change sur Twitter : rocade sud et ouest: 135000 v\u00e9hicules par jour, c&rsquo;est le plus fort nombre de v\u00e9hicules sur la rocade =<\/span><\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode;\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span lang=\"zh-CN\">\u300b<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/span><em><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">donc un trac\u00e9 Colomiers-Portet-Lab\u00e8ge<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><br \/>\n=&gt; d\u00e9fauts principaux de la TAE = manque de connexions avec les n\u0153uds structurels existants <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">l\u2019Ouest<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">La Zone a\u00e9roportuaire ouest est servie uniquement par le Transport \u00e0 la Demande (TAD) que personne ne prend. Aucun transport en commun, et la TAE ne va pas r\u00e9soudre cela. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>=&gt; \u00e9change par Twitter\u00a0: il faudrait un tramway Colomiers Cornebarrieu terminus T1 Fenouillet et prolonge T2 vers terminal T1 (et vers Matabiau) <\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ol start=\"3\">\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">D\u00e9veloppement de l&rsquo;\u00e9toile ferroviaire et autorit\u00e9s organisatrices<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Dans notre d\u00e9bat, sur la question du RER, il y a des personnes favorables \u00e0 l&rsquo;id\u00e9e de pousser la r\u00e9gion \u00e0 prendre en charge les RER\u00a0; d&rsquo;autres personnes pensent que le SMTC (Syndicat Mixte des Transports en Commun = Tiss\u00e9o) pourrait g\u00e9rer tous les transports de l\u2019agglom\u00e9ration. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">On parle aussi d\u2019une AOM (Autorit\u00e9 Organisatrice de la mobilit\u00e9).<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Options propos\u00e9es :<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">le SMTC g\u00e9rerait les cadencements et les haltes, la r\u00e9gion Occitanie g\u00e9rerait les gares. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Option d&rsquo;un cadencement \u00e0 l&rsquo;ext\u00e9rieur et TAE fait le reste. Est-ce int\u00e9ressant par rapport \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9toile ferroviaire ? Il faut une \u00e9tude comparative.<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>\u00c9change sur Twitter : -prolongement et doublement capacitaire ligne B, et cr\u00e9ation d\u2019un R\u00e9seau Express M\u00e9tropolitain. Une Lineo doit \u00eatre cr\u00e9\u00e9e puis transform\u00e9e en tram\u00a0: Balma Malep\u00e8re Ramonville.\u00a0<\/i> <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ol start=\"4\">\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">L\u2019\u00e9toile ferroviaire<br \/>\n&#8211; On conseille \u00e0 notre association de faire un crowdfunding (financement participatif) pour faire expertiser le contre-projet de l\u2019\u00e9toile ferroviaire- On n&rsquo;a pas de comparatif. Si la TAE avance, la SNCF va retirer \u00ab\u00a0ses billes\u00a0\u00bb sur la r\u00e9novation Colomiers-Toulouse et le financement sera gel\u00e9 pour les 1,8 km de voie \u00e0 doubler.<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"5\">\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Urbanisme-transports- On met \u00ab\u00a0la charrue avant les b\u0153ufs\u00a0\u00bb, c\u2019est-dire la TAE avant la vision globale de l\u2019agglom\u00e9ration.- CPDP\u00a0(Commission Particuli\u00e8re du D\u00e9bat Public) : Le ma\u00eetre d&rsquo;ouvrage dit que TAE est 1 projet d\u2019am\u00e9nagement urbain pour contenir l\u2019\u00e9talement urbain, redensifier le centre- Un discours de densification \u00e9merge. Avant on parlait des zones d&#8217;emplois. <\/span><\/span>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">-Gr\u00e2ce au d\u00e9bat, il appara\u00eet que ce projet TAE soul\u00e8ve des questions d&rsquo; urbanisme<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Le ma\u00eetre d&rsquo;ouvrage parle de 490 hectares \u00e0 densifier le long du trac\u00e9 de la TAE mais on ne sait pas o\u00f9 ils sont. Il y a d\u00e9j\u00e0 des zones tr\u00e8s denses le long du trac\u00e9.<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>\u00c9change sur Twitter :\u00ab\u00a0Alors que Malep\u00e8re va sortir de terre avec ses 15 000 hbts ! OUI au PLB et \u00e0 un nouveau Borderouge \u00e0 Malepere !<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">-La Vache d\u00e9j\u00e0 densifi\u00e9e, densification C\u00f4te Pav\u00e9e?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>\u00c9change sur Twitter\u00a0: je n&rsquo;y crois pas, enfin l\u00e9g\u00e8re mais pas suffisante.<br \/>\nAh! La Vache!\u00a0 pas assez de place pour faire des parkings relais cons\u00e9quents sinon trop loin des lignes.<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>&#8211; <\/i>Densifier sur du dense? Voirie ? \u00c9coles?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Il y a d\u00e9j\u00e0 une vingtaine de ZAC (Zone d&rsquo;am\u00e9nagement concert\u00e9) \u00e0 Toulouse<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Les communes ont des objectifs de production de logement (25% de logement sociaux). Il faudrait d&rsquo;abord avoir un d\u00e9bat d&rsquo;urbanisme<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Le BUN (Boulevard Urbain Nord) \u00e9tait un projet vendu comme urbanisation. On aura alors une densit\u00e9 sans les transports<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; On est en train de faire un projet pour les futurs habitants qui r\u00e9sout pas pour le pr\u00e9sent<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; 15000 personnes\/an de plus sur agglo c&rsquo;est juste une hypoth\u00e8se.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Si on met toutes les billes dans TAE il n&rsquo;y aura plus d&rsquo;argent pour la ceinture sud<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; Le d\u00e9veloppement de l&rsquo;\u00e9toile ferroviaire permettrait le d\u00e9veloppement des villes proches et non le \u00ab\u00a0trou noir\u00a0\u00bb (qui absorbe tout) de l&rsquo;agglo toulousaine.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">&#8211; On parle de la guerre des communaut\u00e9s d&rsquo;agglo, parfois m\u00eame quand c\u2019est la m\u00eame couleur politique<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><i>\u00c9change sur Twitter : on se demande pourquoi il y a tant d&rsquo;abstention!<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><br \/>\n-On veut densifier. Les nouveaux habitants seront-ils d&rsquo;accord? Le r\u00eave du pavillon, du jardin font que les nouveaux ont peut-\u00eatre envie de s&rsquo;installer dans des villes secondaires =&gt; favoriser le train.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">-les petites villes se battent pas pour accueillir une population mais pour les nouveaux \u00e9quipements publics, il n\u2019y a plus d&rsquo;argent.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Compte-rendu Focus Group des usagers du train 5\/12\/2016 organis\u00e9 conjointement par l\u2019AUTATE et la CNDP Dans cette r\u00e9union des usagers du train, sont r\u00e9unis des usagers des lignes Tlse-Colomiers, St Martin du Touch, Castelnau d&rsquo;Estretefonds et des associations de quartiers. 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